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I told them that the waiting was over and that the revolution would start all over the country on that specific day. I also conveyed to them the instructions of General Oelofse. Chairperson, there where he says: Maybe it isn't put correctly here. The application and the evidence of Klopper does not agree with each other, do you agree with that? Yes, I do agree with that. Whether he accepts it or not, is immaterial to us. We see it, even if he says it's not there, it doesn't matter, we see it, we don't need his evidence to confirm to us that there is such a contradiction.

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The mentioning of Mr Oelofse is it not just a mere fabrication? I'm not, I don't understand? Well, you tell us in your affidavit that Kloppers said that he had received orders from Oelofse, General Oelofse. Isn't this not just a fabrication? It's up to you to agree or disagree with me, but I'm asking you, because we need to make progress in this case. Chairperson, I accepted and assumed that Kloppers received these instructions from Oelofse. Maybe Kloppers never even mentioned the name of Oelofse that evening?

Chairperson, he did mention Oelofse's name. Referring to your answer to the Chairperson now, you said that you assumed he received these instructions, you have no other confirmation that he did indeed receive these instructions? If he came from a group where orders were given, and this was at General Oelofse's house, then it must be obvious and logical that he had received these instructions from General Oelofse. But you believe so because he said so and he was head commander of that division and it's on that basis that you accept it? Just one further aspect with regards to the ear. Our members aren't looking for long term commitment - just some fun and a good time.

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